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nicolas

Thanks for all of this. I am currently gathering notes about technology failures.
Already talked about it in my ETech 2008 talk

Dan

Interesting comparisons. To me (and I'm a location-based app neophyte), persistence or asynchrony seem obvious – of course I'm interested not just in who is here now, but who has been here recently, and possibly in letting others know that I've been here. Isn't leaving our mark in space and time one of the most primal human urges?

Joe

nicolas: thanks for the PDF of your talk. It would be great to be able to view it on SlideShare ("YouTube for Powerpoint") - I'm like a TiVo fanatic when it comes to SlideShare. I also want to add a link to the abstract for your talk, Mobile Social Software from the Inside Out?. I liked your reference to "a proximal future" and the photo of the beerbike - and will look forward to future iterations!

Dan: thanks for your note, too. I like your allusion to marking as a "primal human urge", and this comment, along with nicolas' talk, remind me of some earlier ruminations about physical e-graffiti, and some more recent awareness that graffiti can be seen as a common person's correlate to the monuments of rich folk (micro-monuments, perhaps?). While I share your intuition about the appeal of persistence / asynchrony, introducing a mix of bits and atoms also introduces uncertainty about what is left where (and by (and for) whom). Although this uncertainty brings with it heightened risks, with appropriate design and constraint, it can also promote delightful surprises!

nicolas

Here is the slideshare version Joe.

As a side note, I'd like to point out that the notion of "proximal future" is taken from Paul Dourish and Genevieve Bell's paper "

Mor

These issues indeed played a large role in the motivation for Fire Eagle: at least make the location part of the equation more commonly available, and thus enable more clients to participate. I promised (here) to write more about it one day...

Joe

nicolas: thanks for sharing your slides (via SlideShare)!

Mor: great to read from you! Thanks for the link to Fire Eagle. I hope you will write more about it ... meanwhile, I was able to find a little more information elsewhere: an article on TechCrunch and a video by Tom Coates. I've requested an invitation; I'll send you an invitation to the new Strands feed aggregator and discovery tool (also in private beta) ... which I hope to write more about too (I can relate to your feeling "backblogged"). :-)

jabberer

thanks for the insightful post.
to add a point as designer behind Nokia Sensor:
its difficult to create a communication platform when people all speak different languages or do not speak any compatible language at all - comparable to the slow adoption of short messaging service in USA. Sensor suffered greatly from the lack of supporting organizational structure at the time within the company, and furthermore the high maintenance cost of creating so many different versions that work for upcoming products.

Joe

jabberer: thanks for sharing your insights into issues affecting the adoption and use of Nokia Sensor! I hadn't considered the multi-language issue, but now remember one of Jan Chipchase's presentations noting that Nokia supports 70+ languages on its handsets. And, while I enjoyed my time at Nokia, I can relate to "lack of supporting organizational structure" for some innovations. I also want to note that despite my critique of its adoption, I think the Nokia Sensor was (and is) a fabulous idea - and was one of the most appealing examples of innovation that initially drew me to the company - and the Flash animation on the web page is still my favorite example of a compelling depiction of a social technology user scenario.

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